when did saul attack the gibeonites

Other Translations for 2 Samuel 21:1 Discussion for 2 Samuel 21 View All No one killed king David. He died of old age, at the age of three score and ten (70 years). His son Solomon succeeded him. You might be thinking of And Samuel says, "See? Now Rizpah the daughter of Aiah took sackcloth and spread it for herself on the rock, from the beginning of harvest until the late rains poured on them from heaven. Throughout the Scriptures warnings of spiritual dangers are signaled by the flash cards of attention getting words like: "Take heed" or "Consider". In addition, after this was the rebellion of Sheba, in which there were all kinds of disruptions until Sheba was killed. The soul who sins shall die. Only when the Gibeonites were under siege from a common enemy and were calling in the marker on their mutual aid treaty did the Israelites turn to God for counsel and advice. I am putting this all together from history. WebNow, when they heard that the Gibeonites had made a special treaty with the Israelites they got very angry. WebAnd the Lord answered, Saul and his family of murderers are the reason for the famine, because he killed the Gibeonites. 2 (The Gibeonites were not Israelites. Fifty years ago was 1957. We cannot let them linger around. Why didnt Abraham bargain with God when it came to Isaac being offered as a burnt offering like he did when it came to Sodom and Gomorrah? Over the years I've urged our Fellowship to check out, investigate and take to heart such biblical alarms. We have examples of where that has happened, but he did not do that this time. Saul and the Pharisees persecuted and killed the Christians, The sons of King Saul were killed as a result of this attempted genocide, The non-Christian inhabitants of Jerusalem were destroyed in AD70 Gods judgment on them for murdering his son and doubtless, the early Christians. Then they were able to pick up the pieces of their lives and move forward by the strength that God gave them to overcome and to grow, and to put on the mindthe characterof Christ. If the Gibeonites brought guile and deceit into the land; it was Saul who set the example for deep and devastating delusion. Share Much later, King Saul ignored this covenant of peace and killed some Gibeonites. Or as the Deuteronomy 21:22-23 If a man has committed a sin deserving of death, and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, his body shall not remain overnight on the tree, but you shall surely bury him that day, so that you do not defile the land which the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance; for he who is hanged is accursed of God. the LORD answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the David did not make any counter demands. The Israelites had promised not to There is a very important difference. Does the Bible encourage the practice of Lent? They looked to Him and were radiant, and their faces were not ashamed. Or as the Gibeonites said Saul consumed them and tried to destroy them a people Israel had entered into a covenant with 400 years earlier. Saul had four sons. * Jonathanhe befriended David, died with Saul on Mount Gilboa * Abinadabdied with Saul on Mount Gilboa * Malchishuadied with But talk about your flawed heroes! And we are supposed to be ready. And, that was that. King Saul exhibited that hubris, that overweening pride in his own decisions and that unfounded confidence in his own good judgment that he brought certain and lasting disaster upon his own dynasty. This was history now. This meant the latter harvest has passed, and maybe another month or so went by. Share Think about this for a moment. II Samuel 21:1 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David inquired of the LORD. Please ensure your answer MEETS all our guidelines. Notice God declares that the bloodguilt was not just on Saul, but also his house. WebVetus Testamentum 24:1 (January 1974):1-7.] God punished the whole nation for breaking the covenant. Vote Up The cities of refuge were designed (among other things) to stop and prevent these feuds from happening. lorraine goode. As we get to about verse 32 in Hebrews 11, Paul says that he does not have time to get to all the other heroes of faith that the Bible gives us. Psalm 34:4-10 I sought the LORD, and He heard me, and delivered me from all my fears. He went after a people that God did not want exterminated anymore. Also, they were hanged on the hill before the Lord. Israel plagued by allowing the deception 1 Then there was a famine in the days of David three years, year after year; and David enquired of the LORD. Although he had peace at this time, I think he was worried because they just had two successive rebellions, and were almost to the point of victory over King David until they were eliminated. The people of the land stand for our spiritual enemiesour human nature, this world, and Satan the Devil. Deceit and delusion are powerful spiritual weapons of destruction but they pale in potency compared to the creative and edifying Word of God come alive by faith in believers' hearts! One is God's judgment upon the actual person for the actual sin; the other is God's punishment that He has automatically put into the law that allows the effects to last for a few generations. He had a body of law that he could have referred back to and come up with a solution. This is pretty clear. 17 Then the children of Israel journeyed and came to their cities on the third day. I will break the pride of your power; I will make your heavens like iron and your earth like bronze. Now, we move forward, not very long in time, to Joshua 9. But, they like the dark one because he is moody, and doing things not for quite the right reasons. The Jewish Encyclopedia asserts that one group of rabbis felt that Saul's punishment at God's hands is a sign of his weak moral character whose only virtue was being tall and handsome. But, very few people can relate to sinless perfection. I want you to understand where Barry was coming from in writing the note. These curses are things like diseases that might affect genetics, and they came as the result of sin. He became jealous and he went wacko, basically. DESTRUCTION AND CORRUPTION Without checking out their story; without surveying the geographical situation; most of all, without consulting the Lord and waiting for His guidance, Joshua went impulsively ahead and signed a binding, lasting agreement with the Gibeonites. Those who believe that they can outsmart, outflank or in any way outmaneuver our Enemy through cerebral strategies are doomed to the slavery and destruction heaped upon Saul and the Gibeonites. WebThe Philistines decided not to attack D. God gave Saul three options to choose from as he went out against the Philistines. Exodus 20:4-6 You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. (1) A three-year famine prompts David to seek God. They were appeasing their own god to send rain. WebWe will attack Gibeon, because they have made peace with Joshua and the Israelites." But Joshua had the final decision. But the king spared Mephibosheth the son of Jonathan, the son of Saul, because of the LORD's oath that was between them, between David and Jonathan the son of Saul. It was common knowledge. And the LORD answered, "It is because of Saul and his bloodthirsty house, because he killed the Gibeonites." However, if they did not participate, they are not going to be given a black mark by God for something that they did not do. Therefore, the world is full of sintheir own sin. Then they went back and took Ai. Deceit and delusion are powerful spiritual weapons of destruction but they pale in potency compared to the creative and edifying Word of God come alive by faith in believers' hearts! Another possibility is that when Saul slew many of the priests at Nob he also executed many Gibeonites (1 Samuel 22:19). King Saul later broke the treaty that Joshua had signed and attacked the Gibeonites. Later still, during the time of King David, a famine occurred in Israel. When David asked the Lord about the famine, God said, It is on account of Saul and his blood-stained house; it is because he put the Gibeonites to death (2 Samuel 21:1). You might say a whole cycle of generations. If you look at a map in the back of your Bible which has something to do with the conquest of Israel, you will see that Gilgal is right over the Jordan River, just on the eastern side of the land. Report, August 29 2022 They quailed at what they heard that Joshua and Israel had done at Jericho and Ai. They made their dust-covered clothes to look worn and ragged as if they had been on the road for many days, even months. If you read 2Samuel 21 carefully, it seems possible that Saul and his house may have been trying to get the Gibeonites territory. You didn't do it. The world's arsenal is growing daily in material strength and sophisticated intimidation. The Gibeonites left their mark on Israel's history in another wretched incident involving That generation had begun to pass. If a person sins, he receives God's judgment for those sins. 1 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year. Clarify And your strength shall be spent in vain; for your land shall not yield its produce, nor shall the trees of the land yield their fruit. But, he did not. It's much too heavy any more!" Those who believe that they can outsmart, outflank or in any way outmaneuver our Enemy through cerebral strategies are doomed to the slavery and destruction heaped upon Saul and the Gibeonites. Evidently, this is what Saul and most of his family was like, except Jonathan. Some interesting similarities to New Testament times occur to me: The fact that David made a covenant with Jonathan regarding Jonathans house (1 Sam 20:14-16), would take precedence over all other reasons not to give up Mephibosheth, I would suppose. A little further down, we read: II Samuel 21:2 . The words "thirty" and "forty" are not in the original Hebrew. He committed colossal sins that whole nations would be held in contempt for. Notice verse 2 says that Saul tried to strike them down in his zeal (also means jealously or envy) for the people of Israel and Judah. Deuteronomy 19:7-10 Therefore I command you, saying, 'You shall separate three cities for yourself.' So they thought, "Hmm. These cagey enemies of God's people were destined to be destroyed, so they devised a simple, but clever scheme to deceive Israel in the hope of saving their own necks. The Gibeonites have the dubious distinction of having duped Joshua and the elders of Israel. It wouldnt be surprising if these people had become worshippers of God, from their exposure to the tabernacle and teaching. WebTheir apostasy began with the Hivites from Gibeon, and in time, the leaven slowly spread. Another group, however, argues that as God's anointed king, WebThe consequences of Israels covenant with the Gibeonites were not short-term. I do not know when God through Samuel stripped him of the kingdom. We would like to make a covenant with you.". God took the initiative in this matter, by afflicting the nation of Israel with a famine because the house of Saul had put the Gibeonites to death. You can read about them for yourself in the Book of Joshua, chapters nine and ten. The midrash states that when Saul learned of this, he was angry with his daughter and demanded of her: Why did you deceive me and let my enemy escape? Is that what happened?" DECEPTION AND COST Jew or gentile? THE BATTLES OF THE LORD I Samuel 14:47-48 So Saul established his sovereignty over Israel, and fought against all his enemies on every side, against Moab, against the people of Ammon, against Edom, against the kings of Zobah, and against the Philistines. Something is wrong, David. If what happened against Gibeon occurred during Saul's reign, even if it was in the latter half, it would mean it was at least (if we are in the last decade of King David's reign) that the massacre of Gibeonites occurred 40 or 50 years earlier. Joshua and that generation did not do their entire job, and so they were stuck. Share They decided to fight with the Gibeonites and teach them a lesson. He did not negotiate at all. There are so many things I have got to do.". You are getting later and later in David's life here. David did not come to this with any regal neutrality in the least. You had to go up quite a bit. Finally the light came on, and David said, "I had better ask what is going on here. Jamieson, Fausset and Brown comments: It was a heathen practice to gibbet men with a view of appeasing the anger of the gods in seasons of famine, and the Gibeonites, who were a remnant of the Amorites, though brought to the knowledge of the true God, were not, it seems, free from this superstition. This shows that this portion of the story in II Samuel 21, hanging the bodies for six months or so, was an additional curse upon the land. WebThese lists are not concerned with the Gibeonites at Gibeon, but with the Benjaminite group which came to settle at Gibeon in the course of time. He then tells David that he can't marry Michal until he brings Saul 100 Philistine foreskins, thinking that David will definitely die in this attempt. The problem was that God had not told Saul to do this, God had told Joshua to do that. In their poverty and slavery the bowed but ever proud Gibeonites refused financial and other forms of compensation for the attempted genocide on their tribe. 2Samuel 21:1, There is bloodguilt on Saul and on his house, because he put the Gibeonites to death.. And it very seriously affected his judgment in this matter. Report, September 02 2013 We have an easier time identifying with the flawed, but heroic, Lancelot from the legends of King Arthur, because he is a lot more like ushe commits sin; he has faults. Where are they from? HERALDS OF HOLOCAUST Should we make a covenant with them? Joshua kept his word to the Gibeonites even when it was inconvenient. You do not know. Were they participants in killing the Gibeonites? He understood it. There were no conditions. There was justice that was going to take place. 2. The world's arsenal is growing daily in material strength and sophisticated intimidation. Guilt for sin is not hereditary. This is in the second commandment. And the LORD answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites. He does not live long past the end of II Samuel. They did not inquire. Most, if not all, of those responsible were dead. Joshua did try to make lemonade out of his lemons. We don't hear much of the Gibeonites again until the reign of King Saul. So they fell, all seven together, and were put to death in the days of harvest, in the first days, in the beginning of barley harvest. Joshua 9:3-6 But when the inhabitants of Gibeon heard what Joshua had done to Jericho and Ai, they worked craftily [remember that], and went and pretended to be ambassadors. There is another thing that needs to be thrown out there as a possible scenario, and this would have been the very worst and lowest that David could have sunk to. I think he was distracted because the turmoil had taken such a toll on Israel, and the famine too, that he was worried about the economy, rebuilding cities and fortifications, and his alliances with Hiram and others. WebKing Saul later broke the treaty that Joshua had signed and attacked the Gibeonites. The Gibeonites were a very shrewd bunch of people. Even their empty wine skins were completely dried up and cracked. And David was told what Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, the concubine of Saul, had done. There was a great deal of turmoil in Israel leading up to this time. It shows you just how far things had sunk in the land. He allowed his actions to be dictated by the Gentile principle of retributionvengeancerather than God's law on such matters. He keeps his word even to his own disadvantage and does not change it [for his own benefit] (Psalm 15:1, 4; AMP). You're out of here!". Their special, if dishonest, dealings with the leaders of Israel gained them a notoriety that most of the tribes and clans of the ancient Mid-East never attained. After 7-10 years of war, David has solidified his empire Mar 2, 2022. "Now therefore, you are cursed, and none of you shall be freed from being slaveswoodcutters and water carriers for the house of my God." About two years ago, Barry Watson, our lone member in Namibia, wrote me an email message in which this incident was at the heart of it. The person who commits a sin is guilty of that sin, and God punishes that person for that sin. Report "We don't want any money, for sure not Saul's money. So the king took Armoni and Mephibosheth, the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bore to Saul; and the five sons of Michal [Merabsee margin of most Bibles] the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite; and he delivered them into the hands of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them on the hill before the LORD. After that, God heeded the prayer of the land. And as the one righteous person in the whole nation, he could have cried out, God would have heard, and God would have saved. From the time of Joshua, throughout the long period of the Judges, the very presence of these deceitful people had not only been a thorn in the side of the Israelis; their position in the land was a dividing wedge that separated southern Judah from the rest of the Kingdom. Based on what he knew, and what was available in God's law, David should have been much more judicious. He did this "in his zeal for. PHARAOH AND HAMAN - But the consequences of their sinswhat it means to us; what happened because of their sinstill affects us today. And she did not allow the birds of the air to rest on them by day nor the beasts of the field by night. Saul agreed, and off he went. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. 5. That is not what it says here. II Samuel 21:3-6 Therefore David said to the Gibeonites, "What shall I do for you? Israel and Judah," who may have fretted at the inconvenience of having the Gibeonites among them. The LORD is near to those who have a broken heart, and saves such as have a contrite spirit. He realized how often, and how far, he strayed from God's way of life. It is very clear, and very simplejust two little verses. Back in I Samuel 15, Saul was told by God through Samuel to go up against the Amalekites, and to destroy everything in sight, do not spare anything; exterminate them. 1. This is interesting. Pagan cultures were killed because they were pagan cultures and they were making war on Gods people. 2 So the king called the Gibeonites and spoke to them. We see in this little vignette that innocent people die; grief lingers forever; idolatry is committed; and the curse of famine continues; another harvest fails; and the land remains defiled; everything stinks of death. All answers are REVIEWED and MODERATED. CONFLICT OF THE AGES ARTICLES These conflicting views on Saul would continue long past the biblical era and into modern times. What do we do in a time of spiritual famine? They haven't been put in Kish's sepulcher yet. 2 Samuel 21:2 At this, David summoned the Gibeonites and spoke to them. He was endangering the whole army by being out there, an old man trying to fight like a young man. The scriptures are not very definitive as to why. When we read the history of skirmishes and battles between the Gibeonites and Israelites we get a The choice by Adam and Eve in the garden was a sin, and they paid for it through death. WebA famine lasting three years hit Israel during the earlier half of David 's reign at Jerusalem. THE STORY OF THE GIBEONITES - Numbers 35:29-33 And these things shall be a statute of judgment to you throughout your generations in all your dwellings. This cultural trait makes it difficult for many people to identify with Jesus Christ. Seven of Sauls descendants were hanged as a result. Skeptic turned believer, Catholic, father of 3, ABC/DTS graduate, guitar music ministry Baptist church. I think he was distracted by all the cares of his office of being king. He just simply rolled over. The Gibeonites actually lived only a few miles from Jericho, the Twelve Tribes' designated entry point to Palestine. 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